Thursday, December 10, 2009

Why is Jake Sully heterosexual or "straight" in Avatar?

One has to wonder about the thought process involved in the making of Avatar. Who decided that the Jake Sully character in Avatar had be heterosexual or "straight"? And why have him engaged in a hetro-type relation with someone from another world? Was there anyone who pointed out that this film was taking place in the FUTURE and it would be more likely, given current evolutionary trends that Jake would be gay, bi or transgender?

The film also makes a gross assumption that the old heterosexual ways on Earth would somehow be occurring with another race of being on a totally different world with its own unique culture.



102 comments:

  1. Homophobic religious bigots oppose diversity and tolerance and we have to say NO MORE!

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  2. sexuality is not a trend. if you get rid of straights, you get rid of male and female organs coming together to keep the species going. do you think we'll all be test tube babies in the future? And will you manipulate dna or brain cells to input "transgender" or "homosexual" tendencies? The future will always have both. If you want a gay character, then watch Bravo.

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  3. hey. saw your comment on the avatar article. are you fucking retarded? look at your polls dipshit. nobody agrees with you. kill yourself. nobody wants to hear your outrageous bullshit. i don't care if your gay, bi, transgender; i really don't. it just means more vag for me, and less of you on the planet, because guess what? YOU CAN'T PROCREATE. so please; continue with exactly what your doing. let me know how you feel when you 60 and can't take a step without shit dropping out your ass cause you destroyed your sphincter HAHAHAHA!!!

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  4. Hahah, you're faggots.

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  5. So your vision of the future is that all heterosexuals will disappear?

    HA!

    HAHAHA!

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  6. Sorry, but this shit makes you no better then all the homophobes. You should go kill yourself right now.

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  7. You have your head stuck up so far up your ass right now you know that?

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  8. Get fucked in the mouth and die.

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  9. Okay first of all, its a movie. If it was about some gay guy hooking up with a gay alien how do you think that would reflect on what children or teenagers should think of what life is about? If you can't accept that fact that male and female are meant to be together then you are really fucked in the head no matter which gender you lean towards. homosexuality isnt trying to dominate the world of hetero's, its just a fucking fad and more kids are being brought up to think its okay, which its not. people like you who complain for sympathy out of other humans because its not completely accepted is fucking stupid. just give up, your arguement is totally invalid and you just lost.

    ps. im from the bay area and its full of scum like you. california is a shithole and it deserves to die with the rest of you self righteous fucks who are so backwards. enjoy your aids.

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  10. Im sorry, but for species to reproduce its only common that they either go across genders or they are asexual.
    Why cant we watch entertainment without someone pre-bitching about it?

    I believe homosexual tendencies just belong to earth, since we only do it for OUR personal pleasure, not to procreate anymore.

    Also about your about me section, i laugh that you think "Bush" is the problem and "Obama" will bring change when political machines control them LOL.

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  11. obvious troll blog is obvious

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  12. Fucking Gay Butthurt(lol pun) faggot . Wa Wa gays suck so we are gonna bicth and whine becasue noone else follows our beeives.and fyi an intelligaent race of aliens would forgoe homosexuality because they undersdtand
    that homosexuality is pointless and does not procreat . GTFO and go kill yourself

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  13. It's more romantic and avoids the most controversy. It does not, DOES NOT matter if the guy is gay or not.

    They're not even human for christ-sake.

    They could be a species needing three genders to procreate.

    Quit being such faggots, making homosexuals look like complete and utter "FAGGOTS".

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  14. hi im 12 and what is this?

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  15. Y'all niggaz postin' in a troll blog.

    Seriously, go kill yourself, fucking faggots. If you're going to bitch about this one movie for being placed in the future and being straight, then why the fuck don't you go bitch and BAWWWW about almost every single other fucking science fiction movie ever made?

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  16. Fucking butthurt trolling faggots.

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  17. oh, and one more thing...

    Fucking Faggots

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  18. ONE MORE THING!!!

    Fucking faggots.

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  19. Hey, well, gender and orientation are different. Surprise. It's normal for animals/humans to be heterosexual because it ensures the continuation of a species. it is weird that the aliens have the same genders as earth creatures BUT who gives a shit ITS FICTIONAL.

    ALso who is to say that the make main character wasn't born female but was transgendered, transitioned, and happens to be straight? : / I don't know about you but if I was finally out of a body I hated/didnt identify with I wouldn't bring it up to everyone I met.

    BTW, I'm a gay transsexual. Have fun faggots

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  20. Those polls aren't working so well for you, really, are they?

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  21. http://thepeoplesopium.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/cruise.jpg

    http://liberalserving.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/scientology_gay_4_0613_375.jpg

    Seriously.

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  22. You do realise in your dream world that the human race will be exctint in a generation? Then were will all the gays come from?

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  23. What evidence do you have for evolution of species with homosexual/transgender tendencies? Links to articles? Genuinely curious, here.

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  24. I'm gay, well-read, and certainly consider myself intelligent and curious, but tell me...

    Just what evolutionary trends might you be referring to? Your evidence?

    We've tended to number around the 3-10% in the population for as long as studies have been published. So I'd sure like to know where you come up with the idea that 'trends' say we are increasing in numbers?

    I think you're seriously suffering from wishful thinking.. or worse.

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  25. This is seriously the dumbest argument I've seen in a long time.

    Just because it's the future, it doesn't mean everyone will be gay. You may say "Why not make him gay?" A person can equally say "Why not make him straight?"

    And, you dumbass, and this coming from a supporter of gay rights.

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  26. Fucking Faggots, hope all of you homosexuals die!
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  27. Yes,

    In the future all dudes will be male-to-females who only want to fuck male-to-females. That's totally evolution. You do... understand what evolution is right?

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  28. 1) Once again, you very clearly don't understand evolution. Please read a book. Hell, read the wikipedia article.

    2) Why have the character be straight? Because that's how they wanted to write the movie. Why have him be gay? What would be the purpose in that? If you claim that his heterosexuality is somehow promoting a straight agenda, then I ask what gay agenda you're trying to promote by making the character homo- or bisexual. Personally, I think it's more likely that any character has whatever sexuality they have without trying to push any sort of agenda. That belief applies to any straight characters James Cameron comes up with and any gay characters in any multi-million dollar movies you make.

    3) Once again, gender isn't a societal construct. Gender is a very defined biological thing having to do with chromosones, body chemistry, reproductive organs, etc. If another planet were to have sexual reproduction, then from a simple BIOLOGICAL stand point, they would have gender. The fact that these genders would be analogous to human genders is questionable, but not entirely out of the question. The fact that the two species would be sexually or reproductively compatible is almost entirely impossible, but I seriously doubt that that will be an issue in the film.

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  29. if we are evolving to be homosexual...there wouldnt be a future shithead. no dick in vagina=no kids=no future

    go read a fucking book u elitist piece of shit.

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  30. Faggots a really a bunch of idiots.

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  31. James Cameron decided he was straight because he fucking could. Because its his movie. Its not a movie about sexuality or anything like that at all. Hell they worship a Female deity shouldn' that be a good thing?

    Who cares if hes straight or bi or gay or whatever thsts not the issue the movie faces.

    It seems to me like your against free speech if its not an opinion that agrees with yours. Very hypocritical of you.

    Also you have no proof that people in the future will be Trans. especially since thats NOT HOW EVOLUTION FUCKING WORKS! we reproduce using the MalexFemale equation. And even if we can make test tube babies that has nothing to do with our physical biology and therefore all babies born naturally would still be from a Hetero pairing so evolution isn't going to phase out what's kept our species alive so long.

    Stop being intolerant of Straight relationships your just doing the same thing that anti-gays do to you. Way to set an example.

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  32. I think we can point out that this protest makes no sense WITHOUT the homophobia, insults, and "kill yourself" requests. The future is not going to be predominantly gay/transgender - most babies will be born heterosexual, as they are now, due to our evolutionary need to reproduce. Still, this doesn't mean we shouldn't work toward a future where alternate sexual lifestyles are accepted. Frankly, unless you make an outdated religious argument, there is no reason to disdain these lifestyles. They are different, not worse OR better.

    While I think it's crazy to protest a single film when in fact most films (including futuristic ones) don't feature transgender characters, I don't think it's any better to criticize people based on their lifestyles. These things are not choices - which is exactly why the future won't be primarily gay.

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  33. anonymous and any other gay haters, what you post proves your idiotic ways. if you beleive that gays go to hell you will too bc i know youre not a christian. this whole blog is rediculous. im bi and i loved the fucking movie. get over ureself. and for the person posting the hate mail ure a retard and if i could meet you in person this fag would kick your fuckin ass.

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  34. "I think we can point out that this protest makes no sense WITHOUT the homophobia, insults, and "kill yourself" requests. The future is not going to be predominantly gay/transgender - most babies will be born heterosexual, as they are now, due to our evolutionary need to reproduce. Still, this doesn't mean we shouldn't work toward a future where alternate sexual lifestyles are accepted. Frankly, unless you make an outdated religious argument, there is no reason to disdain these lifestyles. They are different, not worse OR better."

    I think most people here that have commented ( not including the "die faggots" comments ) Have been by people willing to accept alternate lifestyles but are appaled by the stupidity of this person and her extremely closed minded views. She preaches diversity and tolerance yet when it comes to being heterosexual or comfortable with the gender you were born as she spews nothing but hate. And if you disagree with Obama you must obviously be a right-wing christian bible-beater.

    I disagree with Obama and I am a Bisexual Pagan Libertarian Socialist from a blue state.

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  35. Congratulations, people who run this website. I have now completely lost hope in humanity. I'm all for gays/lesbians/transgendered/anything inbetween having equal rights, but protesting because a movie doesn't have a gay main character is just, well, plain stupid. Look at all the other tens of thousands of movies out there. Why not go protest against all of those that don't have a gay character? Oh, and we also better bash James Cameron because his movie is anti semetic, anti christian, and anti muslim. Cause there aren't any of them in there either.

    [/rant]

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  36. This is a stupid discusion.
    Just as much as people have the freedom to be hetero, homo, bi, or miscelaneous, the creator of a character has that same right with himself, as with the characters he creates, period.

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  37. The character is hetero because that's the way the writer made him. End of discussion. You can't blame the writer for writing what he wants to write. He wasn't intentionally making him straight simply to bash gay people...that's just how he wrote him. Blame a bird for flying a certain way or a fish for swimming a certain way is asinine. So is blaming a writer for writing a character a certain way.

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  38. That should say "Blaming a bird..." not "Blame a bird..."

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  39. Okay, you're not thinking in terms of storytelling here.

    I am an unpublished novelist, and I don't think I have ever had a character be bisexual, homosexual, or transgendered. This is sort of expected if you realize that I don't have a single character with a love interest (generally, those die fast in my stories).

    I don't have very much experience with dating or love, and I am also an asexual. This means I cannot properly capture regular sexuality in my stories, nor can I properly capture more abnormal ones, such as homosexuality and bisexuality (and I have no idea about the mindset of a transgendered person).

    Now, I do not think that LGTB people are weird, odd, or anything of the sort, but it is a fact that they make up 10% (or less) of the population. This makes them abnormal. Asexuals make up 1% or less of the population. This make me abnormal. Understand?

    Now, I am perfectly tolerant to all races, genders, and sexual orientations. Hell, you can be attracted to children all you want, as long as you're not having any sexual activities with a child (including kissing, etc) then I don't really care. It isn't my business.

    My point is, though, that people usually will choose to have all or most of their characters their race and sexual orientation. Most of the time, a person cannot properly capture a different sexuality than their own, and as far as race goes, people don't think about that overmuch (or, I don't). Most of my characters are white. This does not make me racist. I only have one Asian character in over ten novels (which I have not actually finished, hehe). I still do not consider myself a racist, as I am tolerant to every race.

    Your argument against the AVATAR movie is unfounded. Yes, there is prejudice, but I wouldn't consider that prejudice part of this movie just because it lacks LGTBs.

    That is akin to me saying "ALL MOVIES THAT I HAVE EVER SEEN DON'T HAVE ASEXUAL CHARACTERS! IT'S DISCRIMINATION!"

    Does this make sense to you?

    Invision

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  40. Who decided that Jake Sully should be hetero? well it was James Cameron, his creator
    you mentioned "given current evolutionary trends" which ones? there is no trend for evolution, if you mean that there is more gay people everyday, that's not evolution, look for the word in a dictionary you dumbass, stop thinking that the world is agains you just because a movie has not a gay charater as a protagonist, you just shame our people, yes "our" people, I'm bysexual and you are just a shame to us

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  41. If the world is going to evolve homosexual how would they repoduce?

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  42. I'm not gay but I did support gay rights and gay marriage and all that. But if we're going to have 'represent' every varience of sexual perference or be 'ignorant' or 'intolerant'I would rather just protest against gay rights and gay marriage. At least that way this crap will slow down. Should I expect to see every religion represented as well? I mean what about Muslims, or Catholics, or Mormons, or Budhist? Do they have to be in every movie. What a waste of time.

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  43. This is retarded. just saying. the world will not evolve homosexual because natural selection isn't on CRACK. why would natural selection make organisms unable to reproduce you twat.

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  44. One has to wonder about the thought process involved in the making of this article. My guess is; there was little thought put into it.

    The character creators decided on Jake Sully's sexual orientation. Who did you think?

    You are NOT arguing for equal rights here [on this website] - you are arguing for MORE. I have not seen a single statement that supports your statement "it would be more likely, given current evolutionary trends that Jake would be gay, bi or transgender". You tell the public things as facts and proceed not to follow it through with anything substantial.
    Tell us WHY we are more likly to be homosexual, bi or transgender.

    I can answer most of your posed questions.
    -Jake Sully engages in a (hetro) relationship with someone from another world as further imagery of the two species working together and of Jake becoming one of them.

    The article also makes a gross assumption that the majority of people would refer to hetrosexuality as "the old heterosexual ways on Earth". Unfortuantly, the world is not fully acceptant of homosexuality. Unfortuantly, homosexuality in ANY media is a factor, just as violence or CGI are factors. Just as hetrosexual romance is a factor.
    I can understand why you may think it is a pity that homosexuality is such a unpredictable factor - I wish it wasn't (is there such a differnce between hetro and homo?) - but the fact of the matter is that it IS a highly unpredicatble factor.

    It was unpredictable enough that the creators and producers of Avatar decided not to risk it.

    You start to think, but stop when it suits you.
    "that the old heterosexual ways on Earth would somehow be occurring with another race of being on a totally different world with its own unique culture."

    Why would any sexual ways somehow be occuring with another race of being on a totally different world with its own unique culture?
    How would humanoids somehow be occuring on a totally different world with its own unique culture?
    Why have they got tails?!

    Basically, you ask silly questions.


    This film barely touchs on romance. The main message is how humans destroy races and how we destroy our planet. Jake Sully said "we destroyed our mother". This is action, not romance.
    Why have you made it such a big deal?

    Also, here's food for thought. You are a hippocrite.

    Who are you to assume there are no homosexual or bisexual or transexual Na'vi? We see THREE romantic relationships: The chief and the shaman (who are father and mother to a child), the future chief and future shaman (whose romantic relationship is never revieled as anything), and Jake Sully and the future shaman's romance (which is a tertiary theme in the film). THREE romances out of a whole race, a whole SPECIES! And you assume that they can only be hetrosexual?

    Hmmm... not very open minded, are you?

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  45. Um, Jake's not gay because he was made from James Cameron's imagination, and he was made straight. Most likely because Cameron is probably straight. You're basically spitting on this man's greatest work and his imagination, which I have to say is perfectly BADASS.
    And "The film also makes a gross assumption that the old heterosexual ways on Earth would somehow be occurring with another race of being on a totally different world with its own unique culture."?
    Um, gee, I dunno. Maybe because the Na'Vi want to PROCREATE?! If everyone was gay, they'd have no children!
    And, BTW, I just noticed your banner. "The future is transgender NOT straight!"
    ... You sound just like the bigots who condemn LGBT people. Shame on you for your blatant hatred of heterosexuals, without whom there would be no children running around. If everyone were transgender, I would assume no one'd be able to have children due to fake genetialia.
    But preach whatever you want. I'm pro-LGBT and straight. And I think you're a total, hateful fucktard who's not grateful that society is beginning to accept gays.
    Go fuck yourself with sandpaper for being such an intolerant jackass. I never thought I'd have to say this to a transgendered person.

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  46. straight people are the shit, they keep the species in existance. stop knocking the straight people. without straight people, you would not have been born. 95% of the population is straight because thats how the vast majority of multi celled organisms reproduce.

    most asexual creatures are one celled. weve got trillions of those little fuckers, so we need a more complex method of reproduction than OK HERE GOES GONNA SPLIT IN HALF REALLY QUICK HEY SWEET NOW THERES 2 OF ME

    from a sheerly scientific/evolutionary standpoint, gay people are 100% useless, as they dont make mo babies.

    plus, the fact that i <3 both penis and vagina is a get out of jail free card on being called a homophobe.

    suck my dick, i have logic.

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  47. well i feel like it could be possible that jake sully doesn't feel as though he is gay, bi or transgendered.
    maybe you shouldn't force people into being something they aren't.
    sound familiar?

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  48. In my personal experience gays are intelligent and fun people. But this entire campaign and especially some of these posts have had me reconsider the entire gay community...

    Quote: "The film also makes a gross assumption that the old heterosexual ways on Earth would somehow be occurring with another race..."

    WTF? This is to stupid to actually comment any furher...

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  49. I REALLY REALLY REALLY LIKE THIS GUY AND AGREE WITH HIM ALL THE WAY... NICE GOING SIR!!!!!


    Matt Stone said...
    hey. saw your comment on the avatar article. are you fucking retarded? look at your polls dipshit. nobody agrees with you. kill yourself. nobody wants to hear your outrageous bullshit. i don't care if your gay, bi, transgender; i really don't. it just means more vag for me, and less of you on the planet, because guess what? YOU CAN'T PROCREATE. so please; continue with exactly what your doing. let me know how you feel when you 60 and can't take a step without shit dropping out your ass cause you destroyed your sphincter HAHAHAHA!!!

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  50. Wow from reading all these comments and people saying that gays cannot procreate i think they may need to look at themselves and wonder if they should pro create the world.
    im all for gay movies but for avator it just seemed right that he be straight. but who's to say that some of the other avators werent gay.

    to be honest if this is what our world is like were LGBT are against straight people and straight people are against LGBT then to be honest id rather live in avator world. atleast these people can look past their biogoted ways and live a normal life.

    plus never heard the word faggot so much in my life, its kinda sad.

    I cant wait till the world finally realises that Homophobia is infact Gay.

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  51. wooooooooooow. really. ahah. Avatar was the best movie and you got mad because you dident see any guys fucking eachother? really? if your that desperate go on your gay porn sites..

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  52. I thank you for your opinion but I disagree.

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  53. Wow..
    James Cameron decided Jake not to be gay because he simply didnt want to!
    seriously...
    stop this.
    As you have seen your poles nobody agrees with your way of thinking, this will only make, us, the gay community look intolerant, the world knows we are here. You don't need to pick on a director or his creation to get to show us to the world.

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  54. Why do you have to be a queer faggot?

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