Saturday, December 12, 2009

Neytiri could be a lesbian

Why not a lesbian?

Consider this: Suppose Neytiri is a lesbian or maybe she is bi-sexual. Would Jake not then be guilty of imposing his sexual beliefs upon Neytiri? Suppose Neytiri's culture encouraged gay, bi-sexual or transgender values? Jake would then be guilty of cultural interposition and dissipation.

82 comments:

  1. I'm gay...but this is pretty ridiculous right? I mean...you're totally missing the whole point of life.

    The idea that gay is the way of the future? It's not like there are more or less gays every year...it's not like we're taking over the world. Just the 5% or whatever of us are less scared. Stop reinforcing negative stereotypes and hate.

    To protest a movie because a main character isn't gay? It makes no sense. It's the opposite of what you want. Sometimes I'm not sure which side to be on. Especially if people like you claim to be on mine.

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  2. Haha, you cannot be serious? That artical is just retarded

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  3. We love you Lara and we are so proud of you. You are our friend, our sister and our lover and we'll always stand with you! XoXo - Naria

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  4. I...its not....I'm so confused I can't even think clearly. Whats the problem? I don't get it. I DON'T GET IT. This is a science fiction movie, from a man who makes science fiction movies. This movie is not Schindler's List. It is a technology geared sci-fi adventure made to thrill audiences. Maybe in the future we will be a unisex society. Do you know it will happen for a fact? No. Do I know that it won't? Again, no. So why waste time on it? Where did the days go when we could enjoy films simply because we loved movies? The days when a new story was the coolest thing ever? Why is everyone trying to cry racist, or sexist, or homophobic on everything that comes out? Are you that ignorant and bored that you can't just let a movie be a movie? The day filmmakers begin pandering to every politically correct mongrel out there, is the day Hollywood will truly lose whatever bit of spirit it still has.

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  5. I think the problem here is the lack of films that make gay people feel included. I suppose its a valid question. Why doesn't Jake have a gay relationship or something different from straight?

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  6. how DARE james cameron make a movie with straight people!?!?!?!? he should be SHOT on the courthouse steps by the tranny king! he should've spend those hundreds of millions of dollars on nothing but people sucking each others cocks and fucking each other in the ass with no lube, and not this silly fantasy "movie".

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  7. LOL! The Tranny King? You mean Xerxes from 300?

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  8. Do you realize that you are only hurting your cause? It is like standing outside a grocery store and yelling "eating meat is murder." You are NOT going to get ANYONE to stop eating meat, but you may very well get a lot of people to actually buy some meat when they had not even planned to.

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  9. It seems the obvious exploraton of sexual identity here that is inherent in the movie would be to have characters inhabit opposite-sex avatars. That's where they missed their opportunity. They could have told one of these big macho marines, well for this mission we need you have a female avatar.

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  10. Being a gay guy, I can't say I understand where you are coming from. This film is about bridging gaps between two different cultures that, otherwise, would not have any means of interaction. For you to get up in arms about something as arbitrary as a sexual orientation or gender identity is totally out of focus with the undertones of the film. The writer of the story picked a relationship that spoke most to him. The guy wrote about a love interaction that can bridge a gap between two warring sides. Are you going to boycott Romeo and Juliet, by William Shakespeare, as well? I'm dumbfounded by your logic. Not every film has to have an LGBT character, and if you're boycotting the film, why don't you boycott the videogame as well? I'm happy you found a cause to get behind, I'm just sad that you chose one lacking coherence.

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  11. if anything this could pass for a movie about furries

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  12. Thousands??? Protesting?

    Over this? Really?

    Don't make me laugh!

    Get a grip on yourselves! This is the most ridiculous, over the top, oh, poor me claim I have yet to have seen.

    With ENDA coming before Congress; with NY and Maine denying gays and lesbians the right to marry; with the Washington, DC counsel voting to permit gay marriages; with DADT still plaguing our gay and lesbian servicemembers-- and THIS is what you are worried about?

    Methinks your priorities are seriously fu**ed up!

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  13. How much extra work would it have been for Cameron to create a gay sidekick? There's no reason Cameron couldn't have invented a gay exposition character.

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  14. This is the most retarded thing I've ever seen... seriously, get a grip?

    By the way, how could a faggot ever use a gun? And, "The future is transgender NOT straight", kidding me?

    THE FUTURE OF HUMANITY IS STRAIGHT Aka... NORMAL.

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  15. Seriously, guys, stop trying to be the black civil rights movement. It was funny at first, but if every movie that doesn't have gays in it(less than 30 percent the whole population, or somesuch, I gather) is gonna be homophobic, then that's just ridiculous.

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  16. Seriously, find something better to to show activism towards if you want your cause to mean anything to anyone. You have no idea how pissed I'm gonna be if someone calls me, "homophobic, intolerant, ingnorant, etc." when I yell at the asshole STANDING UP in front of me in the theater. Don't worry about a movie that doesn't represent Trangendered, bi, etc. etc. and do something proactive, like, write your own screenplay all about it and submit it to Hollywood! And as for a gay exposition character? Yeah, he could've. But he didn't. So what? I bet he didn't include Jews. Oh my GOD! Cameron is ANTI-SEMITIC! THE BASTARD! SOMEONE TELL THE JEWS!!! Get the fuck over yourself.

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  17. If you get pissed at someone for just expressing a viewpoint you don't like then YOU ARE BEING HOMOPHOBIC, INTOLERANT AN IGNORANT.

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  18. Evolution takes millions of years to change one detail on human structure. I seriously doubt that, with the success of heterosexual reproduction, anything would change that significantly. If it did change it would be in like 20 million years.

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  19. How do you know Neytiri is a girl?

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  20. So, lets see if I get this straight, Vack...

    If I don't share your point of view... I'm suddenly OMG ANTIFAG REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE GEORGE BUSH...?

    ...Fuck this shit. I'm gay and even I think this shit is whack.

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  21. Because this is a LOVE STORY, as was explained by the director, if Neytiri was gay... um, then what? I hate to break it to you, but a movie about gay aliens would not be a blockbuster. Cameron doesn't care about making a statement for a cause he probably never thought would have an issue with this in the first place. He cares about making money from a film in which MOST PEOPLE would enjoy. MOST PEOPLE are not LGBT. This is a love story between a man and a woman of, most pointedly, two different cultures, opposing sides. Are you going to go protsest Romeo and Juliet? Or how about Back to the Future? Or, Earth Girls Are Easy? Forget them being different species. It's not about that. Furries would be even less popular at the box office. He's not stupid.

    So they assumed that straight, natural (as in, not the Pregnant Man) reproduction would still be the norm 200 years from now. Which it will be. He also predicted that their would still be white humans, that we all wouldn't have turned black or asian. He also predicted we'd still be speaking English. And, er, cutting our hair. And wearing clothes. Make yourselves worthwhile and go protest weddings or something slightly less ridiculous...

    By the way, there is a difference in getting mad about someone's opinion and getting mad when some ignorant moron stands up in front of your movie.

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  22. Maybe some of the Na'vi are gay, maybe some of them are bisexual.Hell, maybe that crazy Colonel is gay. Maybe the reason that we aren't told this is because NOT EVERYONE HAS TO SHOVE THEIR SEXUALITY DOWN PEOPLES THROAT.

    Jesus, I'm a total supporter of LGBT rights, but this is shooting yourself in the foot with a cannon.

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  23. 1) If she were a lesbian, then she would not reciprocate his feelings and the movie would end there.

    2) If she were bisexual, then the movie could probably be exactly the same as she would still be attracted to men. Do you have any evidence that she isn't bisexual?

    3) You also make the argument that Jake would be doing something immoral if Neytiri's culture encouraged homosexuality. This is an interesting argument. Consider the opposite case of our society 20 years ago, where we encouraged heterosexuality. Would it be immoral for two men (or women) to fall in love? I suspect you would agree with me that the answer is no. Neytiri's for-the-sake-of-argument pro-homosexual culture is a moot point: if she falls in love with a man, that's her perogative, society be damned. Some of the best love stories in history are about two lovers who couldn't be together because of societal pressures (Romeo and Juliet and Brokeback Mountain to name two, including a homosexual example).

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  24. just get over it, seriously

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  25. I would to see her as a lesbian....what the hell was Cameron thinking????

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  26. But you're forgetting something: SHE ISN'T A LESBIAN, YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

    Leave movie-making to the experts, and go stick your head in a trash compactor.


    -A proud bisexual

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  27. What if Elliot and E.T. were fuck buddies? Gonna protest against that because it wasn't?

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  28. I can't believe this is serious. As a gay man, I am shocked and appalled at the stupidity of this cause. I saw Avatar last night, and guess what? It is a VERY progressive movie that promotes nature, love, culture and diversity and shows the destructive forces of forced migration of indigenous people and industrialization. If you're so upset there aren't any gay characters, well then why aren't there any jewish characters? How about Asians? How come there aren't any Muslims?

    NEWS FLASH: The majority of people in America are straight. You know what that means? I majority of the movies in America will have heterosexual themes. But guess what, there ARE gay movies out there! There's tons of them, actually. If you want pro-gay themes, search for lgbt-themed movies because there are a number of great ones out there that we are lucky to have at all.

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  29. You are stupid cowards. Avatar is the best scifi movie of the century. I think all the protesters would become a tasty food for my pet Thanator if i had one:)

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  30. Obviously you weren't paying much attention to Jake and Neytiri when they got together...he said that he picked who he wanted to be with but SHE needed to pick him too. Thee was nothing forced.

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  31. Back to the original post of Neytiri being a lesbian or bi...she is not real. She is a CGI creation voiced by an actress. Again, let me state Neytiri IS NOT REAL.

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  33. But why couldn't the character be lesbian?

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  34. YOU ARE SCUM! You are shit-spewing, monkey-jerking, splooge-drinking, scum-sucking, exploitative bastard-covered bastards with bastard-flavored filling. Eat rocks and DIE!

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  35. Had you actually seen the movie ( which obviously since you're protesting you haven't ) Their culture says nothing of sexuality. In fact its not even remotely brought up in the movie. Its made blatantly obvious in the movie that Neytiri has the same feeling for Jake as he does for her. So no hes not forcing his sexual views on her or whatever bullshit you're spouting.

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  36. "How much extra work would it have been for Cameron to create a gay sidekick? There's no reason Cameron couldn't have invented a gay exposition character."

    That is a sign of bad movie making and bad writing, just throwing in token characters just so people won't bitch. Cameron focused on Jake and Neytiri big fucking woop whos to say the side characters were all straight just because they weren't running around covered in fucking rainbows?

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  37. "You also make the argument that Jake would be doing something immoral if Neytiri's culture encouraged homosexuality. This is an interesting argument. Consider the opposite case of our society 20 years ago, where we encouraged heterosexuality. Would it be immoral for two men (or women) to fall in love? I suspect you would agree with me that the answer is no. Neytiri's for-the-sake-of-argument pro-homosexual culture is a moot point: if she falls in love with a man, that's her perogative, society be damned. Some of the best love stories in history are about two lovers who couldn't be together because of societal pressures (Romeo and Juliet and Brokeback Mountain to name two, including a homosexual example)."

    Quoted for making sense.

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  38. The do does an alien...that seems pretty progressive to me Lara...grow up.

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  39. Why does Edward Cullen have to be straight? Bella could have easily been written as a male character...

    If you are going to protest Avatar for this reason, you should be boycotting most movies.

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  40. "Suppose Neytiri is a lesbian or maybe she is bi-sexual. Would Jake not then be guilty of imposing his sexual beliefs upon Neytiri? Suppose Neytiri's culture encouraged gay, bi-sexual or transgender values?"

    Well then you know what? He'd be guilty of doing the same thing that gays do on modern earth!

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  41. Well....

    Jake did say to her that he only chose her if she chose him back. And she chose him back. So your point is kind of moot because she chose to be his mate and there was no forcing involved.

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  42. You gay always make an stupid issue. MORONS

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  43. Why no lesbian? because Cameron create it straight and thats it, is his world, his creation.

    If you want a gay movie, do it your self.

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  44. if they started making gay movies .000111 % of the population will see it. Gay is not normal, we were born with anatomical parts of us both male and female, as nature intended for us to reproduce. Hence, why STRAIGHT will ALWAYS! be the future, if gays was the future, I would KILL myself to see how the world has become.

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  45. What a ridiculous article. It's people like the writer of this article that need to learn tolerance...

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  46. It was a beautiful movie, maybe you should sit down and watch it one day.

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  47. It would have been more beautiful with lesbians.

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  48. This whole blog/protest is so ridiculous, I'm still not sure if it's a joke or not. It's a beautiful film, ground-breaking special effects, expressed beautifully, and all you can see is that there are no LGBT references. Is that really such a problem?

    Seriously, put the rainbow flags away! I'm gay myself, but things like this just make me want to find a screamer and strangle him. People are saying it would have been better with gays/lesbians/TSs, but the fact is only the blatently LGBT would find it beautiful, and straight/straight acting people would not. Unfortunately for you flag-wavers, you're heavily outnumbered by the straight/straight acters. So no chance of LBGT characters. Go cry.

    I hope everyone reading this blog is thinking what I'm thinking - out of all the things you could be doing, e.g. rallying support for gay marriage in the USA, is this not one of the most pointless protests ever to be voiced?

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  49. Jake asked Neytiri to be his mate. Neytiri informed him that as a member of the Omaticaya people, he may choose a mate. Not specifying gender. You fail.

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  50. if she is a lesbo then so what. I guess I'm into beasties cause that is a hot blue chick. If I ever did a cat it would look like her....

    yeah stop drinking now

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  51. Stupid fucking thread.

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  52. "Jake asked Neytiri to be his mate. Neytiri informed him that as a member of the Omaticaya people, he may choose a mate. Not specifying gender. You fail."

    YOU fail you stupid fucker. Neytiri's exact words were "You may also choose a WOMAN. We have many fine women." I watched it 5 times already. So fuck you whoever wrote that comment. Know your intel before spitting out bullshit. I win. YOU fail.

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  53. "Jake asked Neytiri to be his mate. Neytiri informed him that as a member of the Omaticaya people, he may choose a mate. Not specifying gender. You fail."

    I love proving stupid fuckers like you wrong.

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  54. Speaking as a writer, I can honestly tell you that making Neytiri lesbian would've been counterproductive to the plot...unless it was Avatar + Chasing Amy. That is a movie about a guy trying to get a lesbian chick, but this movie isn't that. This movie is about a guy who is trying to gain the trust of aliens by becoming one and he falls in love with an alien girl who reciprocates his love.

    HAD she been gay, it would've just had added another twist to the story, but it would've been a pointless twist as the movie wasn't about that. The love story angle was meant to be more of a motive for him to be swayed to the N'avi's side. Had she been lesbian, he would've been shot down and either had gone back and been okay for them to bulldoze them (broken hearts make people do stupid things) or he would've spent the movie trying to win her over instead of saving the N'Avi. Obviously the movie was about him trying to save the N'Avi, not win over a lesbian chick. (I am reiterating the point, not being repetitive.)

    As for the gay sidekick...how do you know none of his friends and co-workers weren't gay? It's not said. Why do they need to be openly gay for you to be happy about it? Just because they're not flittering around and speaking with a stupid list, doesn't mean they're not gay or shouting "I like the same sex" every ten seconds. Why do you need to be told about the character's preference?

    One thing you learn when learning about literature is that there are things about the story you are allowed to infer things about the characters not said. I mean, even if you have evidence for it, it doesn't mean you're right, but it doesn't mean you're wrong either, it's just not said by the person telling the story. Such as...I infer that Jake had a cat at home. There's no evidence for it, but you can't prove me wrong either. Based on what I've seen, I think Jake had a cat. I don't need to be told this to believe it as long as I don't have proof to the contrary.

    So...whether or not you think a character is gay (and there's no evidence to the contrary) you're right...and wrong. It's what they let you decide.

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  55. My goodness, where on earth does it say that Jake is anti-gay!? And what if he was interested in her when she was gay? How is that any different from him being interested in a guy that didn't like him back? You're purposefully drawing a line here and discriminating against yourselves with this argument.

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  56. There was a point in the movie where it was stated that Neytiri and Tsutey were to become a mated pair, implying that their culture is heterosexual anyway. Of course, this has probably already been said further up, but I'm not looking for it.

    It was the part where Grace was reviewing the Na'vi for Jake.

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  57. "Would Jake not then be guilty of imposing his sexual belief upon Neytiri?"
    Isn't that what you are trying to do right now? you are just contradicting yourself, stop being a bitch and enjoy life, if you want to be gay then be gay no one is trying to stop you if James Cameron wants his characters to be heterosexual then let them be heterosexual, they are not your characters, they are James Cameron's, you are trying to impose your sexual belief upon characters that are not yours, you said "suposse Neytiri is lesbian" well, she is not, sorry for you if you don't like it, I pity your little brain

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  58. I hope this is a joke

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  59. If you want your damn 'Gay' character, use Norm~

    Oh, and...Neytiri could be gay. But she isn't. Because she um...well, you know.
    OH YEAH> SHE LOVES JAKE.

    And this is coming from a Lesbian myself...

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  60. If I may, Jake clearly leaves it up to her whether or not to be his mate. He says "this female must also choose me" If she was going to be gay or bi, she could have refused him. He was not imposing anything on her.

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  61. ... You're forgetting something, idiot. Before she met Jake, she was to be mated with Tsu'Tey, who is DEFINITELY a DUDE.
    And her parents are straight, too. :D
    Aaaaaand, she talked to Jake about finding himself a woman. Never did she say, "Jakesully, you must find yourself a strong man."
    I'd be the first person to step up and support gay rights, but she fell in LOVE with Jake. He didn't impose anything on her.

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  62. do you realize your 'followers" are nazi's?

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  63. face it, she loves cock

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  64. Two questions:

    1) None of the other characters are specifically portrayed as gay, straight, bi, or whatever (perhaps excluding her parents). Don't you think it's HOMOPHOBIC that just because they don't act in a "gay" way (which not all homosexuals do) they are therefore straight? Who says it isn't a bi- society?

    2) Could you give us any solid reference as to why evolution would make us drift away from heterosexuality? If this were a Wikipedia article, there would be quite a few "[citation needed]" tags on it...

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  65. OMG..i`m still confused by this post..how can anybody say to what should he or she put or not in his or her movie, music, or anything.

    You are just as stupid as my ass.

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  66. Holy Shit, this is all pathetic...

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  67. Retarded asshole...why should everybody be a gay shit?? keep it for yourself!

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  68. Consider this: A movie-goer is straight, but some uptight overly zealous gay activist has insisted that every movie be about, or include, gay/lesbian/bi/transgender material, subjects or characters... wouldnt they be guilty of imposing their sexual beliefs on the movie-goer? Suppose said movie-goers culture encouraged freedom of personal beliefs and thoughts, wouldnt the uptight overly zealous gay activist be guilty of cultural interposition and dissipation? Get a grip and get over yourself.

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  69. Zoe is not a lesbian, Sam is not a gay - thats why...

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  70. This is why we shouldn't let gays have rights. Look what they'd do - take away gender and make us all gay freaks.

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  71. I reckon the lesbo that started this is just pissed off cus she wants a piece of neytiri ASS hahaha

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  72. do u realize what your doing by starting the stop avatar thing is basically pushing your beliefs on everybody else? god get a life u moron. it's just a movie, just cuz JC didn't have two males kissing or two females kissing doesn't mean it's a bad movie. seriously need a life dude.

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  73. i'm not gay and i think avatar is good as it is and you gay people should go get a life

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  74. Shut up you fagit

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  75. Well, someone else already suggested Norm to be a gay male character... if you wish to have a feisty lesbian, why not have Trudy? Too bad she got shot down with her Samson... but, hey, that would have one hell of a side plot. At least she showed that she was disgusted by at least one man (Wainfleet... if you saw the movie, you might have spotted her face, when he was yelling his "Yeeeah, get some...!" standing at the door gun, ready to pick out some of the supposedly heterosuxal natives...).

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